http://www.spaceempires.net/forum-3.html Latest 25 posts on the SpaceEmpires.net forums. en-us admin@spaceempires.net admin@spaceempires.net Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:38:22 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-67702.html#67702 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-67702.html#67702 Having played the demos of SE2 and SE3, and reading posts comparing SE3 and SE4 on this forum, I would like to be able to play SE3 and/or SE2 in full.
Any chance that one or both of these games are made available for free or at a much reduced price (or sold off to GOG)?]]> Sat, 07 Jan 2012 05:49:33 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-67696.html#67696 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-67696.html#67696
Cell phones are getting powerful enough to run a virtual machine that runs windows that runs SE4.]]> Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:41:07 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-67625.html#67625 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-67625.html#67625
Failing that you might want to try ebay or amazon.]]> Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:02:50 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-66037.html#66037 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-66037.html#66037
I played the shareware versions of SE2 and SE3, too, and would also like to play the full versions. But, to be honest, 35$ (or 25$ for SE3 alone) are a bit "hefty" and deterring.
Unless MM sells enough registrations for SE1/2/3 to justify the price (it's their decision, obviously), it might be worth considering to offer the games for free or for a symbolic price, as a little gift or bonus for fans of the SE series, or, who knows, as an introduction to SE for newcomers, who might get the SE fever and eventually buy the later SE products, too.]]> Wed, 20 Jul 2011 03:14:16 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-66032.html#66032 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-66032.html#66032 But a port to a tablet or iPhone would be very interesting (and seriously damaging to my work ethos...). See [url=http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopict-7385.html]this thread.

Sorry for resurrecting this thread, but I haven't been here for some time. :(]]> Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:51:09 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-65678.html#65678 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-65678.html#65678
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In another discussion regarding this sort of mechanic, I once discussed the implementation of a simple sequential or parallel construction setting per queue. If you wanted it to build all added items at once, you'd set it to parallel. It'd be a simple resources / number of items split, no individual sliders for projects for the above mentioned reason.]]> Mon, 06 Dec 2010 10:21:58 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61545.html#61545 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61545.html#61545 I agree, You should be able to build planet facilities and ships at the ship yard at the same time. The program should have had that worked in, but it does not...

Maybe, maybe not. Personally I don't know very much about the requirements of a facility that is capable of building FTL starships. Maybe it requires huge numbers of workers. Maybe it draws ungodly amounts of energy from the planet. Maybe it demands all available metals and exotic elements. In any case, I could easily see a scenario where operating a shipyard would make it literally impossible to divert the resources to build facilities on the same planet at the same time. Think of the severe shortages of consumer goods in the United States during World War II due to production of crude mechanical tanks and planes. Now imagine the potential shortages created by building an interstellar dreadnought. That's what the game is trying to model with its stark "guns vs. butter" approach. I agree there are other equally valid approaches - such as allowing the player to make both guns and butter at a reduced rate - but forcing you to make an unambiguous choice between them puts more pressure on you as a player and also allows the game to model some more subtle economic ideas (such as comparative advantage and economies of scale) that make it, if not impossible, then at least impractical to divide your resources among all possible projects at the same time.]]> Mon, 06 Dec 2010 09:27:09 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61541.html#61541 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61541.html#61541
It's not "illogical." It's the way the program chooses to model basic economics.

Just having a factory (or in this case, a shipyard) sitting around doesn't mean you can build anything with it. You need workers. If your workers are engaged in public works (i.e., building facilities) then they aren't also in your shipyard building ships. The shipyard is just sitting there idle. If your workers are in the shipyard, they aren't also building public works and your infrastructure begins to crumble. That's the classic "guns vs. butter dilemma." The point is to make you choose and live with your choices. Sure, it could have been handled in different, equally valid ways. You could have been allowed to split your resources between both guns and butter at a reduced rate. But the game chose to offer you the choice in the starkest possible terms: guns or butter. Eat your cake or have it. Not both. There's nothing illogical about that because it was a deliberate design choice grounded in perfectly valid economic theory.

[quote:d0d65e28cc="Alikiwi"]If you don't see that as illoigical, then you're on the wrong planet!

I'm from the planet of people who didn't fail Econ 101. How are you today? :P]]> Mon, 06 Dec 2010 08:30:25 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61539.html#61539 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61539.html#61539 So play SE5, where you can build as much as you can afford each turn. Point spillover is great. ;)]]> Sun, 05 Dec 2010 11:00:44 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61520.html#61520 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61520.html#61520 I real life, you should be able to do several things at once... (my comment)
I agree, You should be able to build planet facilities and ships at the ship yard at the same time. The program should have had that worked in, but it does not...
It would be nice if it was worked into the game to have employment detailed, IE: 1M per farm, 1.5M per research, 3M per shipyard (if building),... as long as you have the people, the production gets done.
If you have a pop shortage, all work is slowed down. Or you can "shutdown" facilities to move pop to where you need. Or set priorities, if you have a pop shortage, what do you want to loose first.

I think the ship building in SE III was the best. You bought the hull, then "repaired" it to make it space worthy.
And you could assign the work to different shipyards.
(if I remember that correctly)]]> Sun, 05 Dec 2010 02:19:26 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61509.html#61509 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61509.html#61509
If you don't see that as illoigical, then you're on the wrong planet! I am very aware your can build an orbital shipyard, that wasn't the point however... :x]]> Sun, 05 Dec 2010 01:44:13 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61505.html#61505 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61505.html#61505
As I said, you can build both at the same time in SEIV; you just have to invest in a spaceyard base first. :wink:]]> Sat, 04 Dec 2010 13:15:38 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61477.html#61477 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61477.html#61477 Sat, 04 Dec 2010 12:06:09 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61475.html#61475 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61475.html#61475
Why is this illogical? It's an economic issue. You only have so many workers and resources available at any given moment. You can make guns or butter, but not both at the same time.

However, it's easy enough to change this situation in SEIV. Just build a spaceyard base, and it can build ships while the planet builds facilities.]]> Sat, 04 Dec 2010 10:05:15 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61470.html#61470 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61470.html#61470
Some people still seem to play se3, so there must be something to recommend it over se4. (meanwhile, it's clear that nearly anything would be better than se5.)

So the question is: Why do you prefer (even if only sometimes) se3 over se4?

I'm not interested in starting a debate, so if you don't prefer se3, there's no need to respond.

that sounds great]]> Thu, 02 Dec 2010 20:59:00 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61417.html#61417 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61417.html#61417 Fri, 26 Nov 2010 08:59:23 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61200.html#61200 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61200.html#61200 Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:39:56 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61062.html#61062 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61062.html#61062
Personally, I don't have a problem with it to begin with, but blaming SE3 for doing the same thing SE4 does and calling that a negative feature is a bit hypocritical, don't you think?]]> Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:27:08 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61058.html#61058 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61058.html#61058 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:50:57 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61032.html#61032 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61032.html#61032
However, keep in mind that number of components is partially a function of ship size and internal complexity. It's not as unrealistic as it looks if the sun destroyers are supplied as discrete (but very expensive) modules, which is an industrial concern well below the level of abstraction involved in the game.]]> Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:12:01 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61031.html#61031 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61031.html#61031 Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:12:22 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61008.html#61008 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-61008.html#61008 Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:17:17 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-51653.html#51653 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-51653.html#51653 Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:08:56 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-51645.html#51645 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-51645.html#51645 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:58:37 GMT http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-51460.html#51460 http://www.spaceempires.net/ftopicp-51460.html#51460