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Fyron
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:44 pm    Post subject: Contemplating 0.17 Reply with quote

What sort of features would you like to see in a hypothetical 0.17 release?

(you can talk about adamant se5 here)


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Varek_Raith
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barring any major additions, I would like to see an expansion of the each paradigm's special racial traits. Right now the only one there is Inherent Regeneration for the Organic Races. Maybe you could update the Planet pictures in the text file, there are some really nice ones in the newer versions ImageMod pack.

Other than that, Adamant is in damn good shape. Cool


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CapnKy
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Joined: Jan 01, 2005

PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Varek_Raith wrote:
Barring any major additions, I would like to see an expansion of the each paradigm's special racial traits.


/sign'd

Some similar stuff for Energy/Mech might not go amiss either.


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Fyron
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Such as?

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Astorax
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Joined: Jan 14, 2008

PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fyron, when are you going to implement those extra magic abilities that are going wasted? All of them are either not implemented at all or only partially implemented. Atleast all the other traits have some fully functional things.

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Fyron
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Necromancy and Illusion already have a couple of items, but one might conceivably expand upon them.

Necromancy
    Commune With Dead - improved espionage projects
    Raise Hell - anarchy sabotage project
    Mass Animate Dead - system reproduction bonus facility
    Spirit Binding - neural combat net component

(I've added some undead troop components now)

Illusion
    Shadow Conjuration - fighter hulls with +20% ecm and -10% CS
    Mirage Arcana - +10 strength boarding defense comps


What other stuff would be interesting to add to these traits, and the Arcane Loremastery and Conjuration Mastery traits?


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CapnKy
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Other ECM-style stuff for Illusion might be fitting... not as strong as normal ECM, mind. Maybe 5 tiers w/ 2% per level that stacks with normal ECM.

Perhaps Arcane Loremastery could have a line of slightly superior research facilities? 5-10% better for a slight cost increase?

Machine
Assimilation - Stronger boarding parties and cheaper, earlier ship incapacitation weaponry

Polymorphic Software - Stronger and/or cheaper intelligence projects

Self-Diagnostic Systems - Unlocks a special tree of slightly more expensive bridges that allow slow self-repair, similar to the Organic trait

Energy
Solar Filtering - More effective solar sails and solar collector technology, perhaps some kind of solar plant like the old crystalline one.

Warp Field Manipulation - Very early, expensive, very short range (30-50ly max) warp point creation tech.

Unstable Fields - Has access to more powerful variants (10-25% stronger, increased cost, same weight/etc.) of default weaponry, but with more damage fluctuation/damage dropoff over long ranges.

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Other changes I'd like to see;

Spaceyards behaving as cargo space for transport ship purposes. It's hard to get space-stations up around other planets or warp points early game - you have to wait a long while before you can get decently sized ships for it. Allowing them to be used on cargo ships would alleviate a lot of that trouble.

Reduction of cargo/fighter bay space required for carriers allowing for other components. I can barely fit anything other than the vital necessities (ie life support, bridge, crew, engines, reactors) for carriers due to the number of hangars and cargo bays required. They're just giant floating hangars. Surely a carrier should at least have room for armour, shields and some light point defense/anti-ship weaponry?

Reduction or outright removal of the happiness penalty for facilities if this hasn't been done already. These are just infuriating and make running an empire a hell of a lot harder. I know your HW can't rebel but it's harsh, and extremely limits the use of already hardly useable unbreathable tiny, small and medium planets. Besides, it's a pain in the ass to go through manually removing them all. Confused


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Fyron
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CapnKy wrote:
Spaceyards behaving as cargo space...

That's what the Mobile Industrialists trait is for.

CapnKy wrote:
Surely a carrier should at least have room for armour, shields and some light point defense/anti-ship weaponry?

If your carriers are engaging in combat, something has gone terribly wrong. Wink

CapnKy wrote:
Reduction or outright removal of the happiness penalty for facilities if this hasn't been done already. These are just infuriating and make running an empire a hell of a lot harder. I know your HW can't rebel but it's harsh, and extremely limits the use of already hardly useable unbreathable tiny, small and medium planets.

You can build 2 miners without worrying about the happiness effects at all, so small and tiny unbreathables are not affected. The natural decrease of 2.0% cancels out the first two miners.

Given that all of the amount effects are known and presented to the player, its not that hard to plan out your build queues with sufficient entertainment networks, is it?

CapnKy wrote:
Besides, it's a pain in the ass to go through manually removing them all.

Manually removing what?


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Varek_Raith
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CapnKy wrote:
Surely a carrier should at least have room for armour, shields and some light point defense/anti-ship weaponry?

Fyron wrote:
If your carriers are engaging in combat, something has gone terribly wrong. Wink


My carriers routinely engage in combat. Then again, I am a huge Wing Commander geek. Fleet Carriers FTW Cool .

How about adding smaller (10kT, maybe 5kT) cargo pods?

EDIT - Possible Scale Mount bug;

Vehicle Size Minimum := 470
Vehicle Size Maximum := 589

Should be?

Vehicle Size Minimum := 470
Vehicle Size Maximum := 489


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Fyron
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Varek_Raith wrote:

My carriers routinely engage in combat. Then again, I am a huge Wing Commander geek. Fleet Carriers FTW Cool .

I meant engaging during combat, rather than falling back and letting the warships and fighters duke it out.


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Varek_Raith
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D'oh!

The obviousness of your initial statement didn't hit me until I read the above.

Laughing Laughing Laughing Looks like another round of coffee is in order.

On another note, I noticed the the Vidrihne do not have all of their racial points allocated in 5000 point games. I think a few other races have this problem as well, I'll see if I can find them. Oh and this is in their General file and not the .emps.


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CapnKy
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fyron wrote:
CapnKy wrote:
Surely a carrier should at least have room for armour, shields and some light point defense/anti-ship weaponry?

If your carriers are engaging in combat, something has gone terribly wrong. Wink


There's a difference between "engaging in combat" and "getting chased down and trashed". Razz

I'm not saying Carriers should be warships in their own right, but a little more space for defensive hardware wouldn't go amiss.

Ed: I underestimated the available space. 150-ish kt on a Carrier isn't shabby (this is with the bare necessities - autobridge 3, autosup, spartan quarters, 18 inertial flux engines, 15 a-m reactors, 1 heavy a-m reactor, 10 FB-mount fighter bays, 8 AST Cargo Bay Vs) but it's still a bit tight for my tastes once I've added armour and shields. Ah well.

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Any thoughts on the Energy/Machine suggestions?


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tindrli
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm i wonder what a magic have to do with a space game???

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Varek_Raith
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tindrli wrote:
hmmm i wonder what a magic have to do with a space game???


"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

- Arthur C. Clarke

Wink


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CapnKy
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bouncing around a couple more ideas;

Laser Defense:
Specific satellite-only defensive technology. PD laser that fires every other turn with 100% (or suitably high - 50? 60? 70?) accuracy, for defending planets against long-range capship missile bombardment. The catch is that it's slow to fire, expensive, and heavy - you can't fit much else on the laser defense satellites, and they'd need Medium/Large sats.

The damage would be high enough to take out several missiles in a stack at once, and if possible they should use the target override to target seekers (and drones? but not fighters!) only. The sats can either be blown up or just ignored in favour of short-range bombing tactics.

Shield Happiness Booster:
Basically, planetary shields make your citizens feel safer, adding a small (non-stacking?) amount of happiness. Smile


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avendarian
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Joined: Nov 28, 2008
Location: Canada : Alberta : Calgary

PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:35 am    Post subject: Things i would like to see Reply with quote

For my personal enjoyment of this mod, I would like to see a few changes implemented.
1: Energy races produce research as # of ships increases. An energy based race is pooling people into the ship as a unit rather than constructing an autonomous unit so a ship should have an inherent bonus to research. Min/Org/Rad suffers until your planet reproduces the used population to make a ship because you just used 4 billion people to make your light cruiser.
2:Energy race ships are all able to colonize, the larger the hull the bigger the starting population. this is to stop you deviants from fleeting 40 escorts and taking over every planet in sight. technically it would do the same thing but your planets would have 100 people on them. long time to build up that population to 12B on that perfect world
3: Mechanical races immune to plagues. Your a robot. enough said.
4: Mechanical races are emotionless. you were created to colonize the galaxy for your master race.
5: Change mechanical to Cyborg if you disagree with the above two points. Cyborgs are part organic still. mechanical are robotic, no organic matter or reproduction. you come out of a facility programmed to do your job.
6: Racial traits being fleshed out for the different race styles.
6.1: Standard has all the current basic ones like stoic crew, endemic wastefulness, etc
6.2: Magic has the schools idea like religions, with the schools adding the tech fields. so evocation adds your weapons, clairvoyance adds your sensors and ecm, and so forth, logically progressing
6.3: Energy: Cumulative effects for fleets, the more ships you have together in one space the more of a bonus. like inherent fleet training facility stuff, but not limited to training.
6.3a: Energy: Inability to use diplomacy. you flare and shock your fellow race member. perfectly fine. He flares and shocks you back and you have passed the required information you wanted between each other. you flare and shock the high-ranking human diplomat and your planets are suddenly under attack. all you did was say hi.
6.4: Organic: Free upgrading of ships. you grow a few more spines on your frigate and now its a heavy frigate. did you really have to lumber all the way back to your homeworld to sit in a space-docks for 5 turns to grow those spines?


more to come later. since this is a huge post already Sad sorry


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Stormy
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Joined: Jan 07, 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing I think Adamant needs most is polish. Flesh out the racial traits so the ones already in there work, add a few to help establish the differences in paradigms, and then just tidy up descriptions, sorting orders and remove things that don't work and never will.

I realize adamant is beta, but it has been for years. Presentation is a huge part of a game, or a mod, and the presentation in Adamant is that of a beta.


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Fyron
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AFAIK there isn't anything in there that doesn't work. All the broken stuff was removed back when the mod was being actively developed. There are a few unimplemented tech traits, but they are labeled as such.

The reason why there are so many trait "slots" in the list is that the game makes old .emp and savegame files unusable if you add (or remove) a new racial trait. Adding un-purchasable traits that could then later be edited into functional traits was the only way to release savegame-compatible updates (important for long-running PBW games), without having to fork the mod.


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avendarian
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Location: Canada : Alberta : Calgary

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:38 am    Post subject: Don't know if anyone still reads this but... Reply with quote

Was just wondering if your still planning any future releases for the SE:IV version of the adamant mod or if its pretty much dead in the water?

You did WHAT? for HOW MANY jellybeans?


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FlutterBrave
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:45 am    Post subject: Re: Don't know if anyone still reads this but... Reply with quote

avendarian wrote:
Was just wondering if your still planning any future releases for the SE:IV version of the adamant mod or if its pretty much dead in the water?

Yeah, I'm, uh, inclined to ask the same.
It will be 6 years since the last release of Adam in a couple of days, so I evidently 'fear' this.

In other words, I refuse to accept it's dead, damnit. Crying or Very sad


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Black_Knyght
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Location: Dark side of the Moon

PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being a fan of machine races, I'd enjoy seeing more done with them.

There are a number of obvious ideas that could be implemented, such as automated construction facilities, miniaturized components, robotic troops, smart drones, etc.


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Skyburn
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Joined: Mar 12, 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adamant may not be under active development, but people still play the mod on PBW.

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tomassus
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Fyron - Thanks for great mod for SE IV.

Currently after looking for a good 4x space game i got back to SEIV with adamant mod which currently beats all new space sims. I even found it more enjoyable than SE V. Hope one day someone will try to make some update because there is many concepts to develop here (machine race technologies, monsters etc.).


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ekolis
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, Adamant is awesome Smile

I'd love to see some of the bugs fixed up (which I've probably mentioned on the forums, either here or at PBW), but what I'd *really* like to see is an enhanced version that takes advantage of the features of FrEee! Very Happy

Of course, that would be a lot of work given that a lot of the features found in SE4 aren't yet implemented in FrEee... Razz

But just think! You can use formulas, like in SE5! And family "numbers" that aren't numbers! And no more "Number of Abilities" fields to screw up! It will be so easy compared to modding SE4! Very Happy


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