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kotau
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:19 pm    Post subject: Joint operations in Fizbon/Worric Reply with quote

Let this be a place where SL, Mercenary, and Navy send their liasons to meet and discuss plans.

Maximizing our potential in the upcoming months will be crucial to our cause, the blocking or redirecting of the large slow-moving fleet is top priority.

In Worric I will be sending the combined Keeyeen and 7th Frig to the worric/fizbon WP. They should easily outrun the large Ukra-Tal fleet.

With my reinforcements in Fizbon coming online, I plan on ordering my ships as so to attack the Norak carrier.


Let me know your thoughts on our situation, Alikiwi and Prophet.



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Alikiwi
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your plans are well thought out and what I would have done in your place. Note in Worric, and I had suggested this myself, that as you say, move those 2 fleets up to the Fizbon w/p, if the enemy turns around again, you still have the advantage of speed.

I have a Hermetic Class at Fizbon VI. I plan to load it with fighters. Do you wish it to follow your fleet perhaps after you secure the w/p to Worric? It can provide additional support in the event that 31 ship fleet breaks through? I can and do suggest Prophet moves his Longbow from the same planet to that w/p also.

Prophet is getting another Longbow in Worric (VIII) which I will order to the Worric side of the Fizbon w/p to your ships there. Once that carrier is cleared, I would presume they will all jump through to Fizbon to ambush that fleet, if it goes that way.



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kotau
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the same vein of being in a better tactical position, I will be moving the 3rd Keeyeen Flight and the 7th Frig as one to coordinates 12,6, as well as moving the 3rd Flotilla to the same location. It will take one month to maneuver, and all ships in Worric rallying against the fleet may reach the rally point in or under one month.

Prophet, should you move there as well, take care to avoid the WP itself, as the Norak carrier could burst through partway through the month.

Additionally, I suspect that the Norak have yet to breach the Worric system, if this is so, the ship will halt immediately after the warp from Fizbon, and will take one month to accurately survey the system enough for naviagation purposes.

Regarding the Hermetic; I would advise loading replacement fighters into it and have it within one months time from the Fleets. I will buy fighters directly off the ship if I need replacements, on an as-needed basis.



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Alikiwi
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HHS Hermetic in Yullado will proceed to Worric IX as it would take 2 months to reach 12,6. I will re-assess next month.

HHS Hermenis at Fizbon VI I will load, wait one month and if the carrier leaves the system will move it to 1, 10 1 off the w/p to Worric so it will be on standby to provide replacement fighters.

Prophet, if you could move DDS Fizzon at Worric IX to 12, 6 as per Kotau, I will move the new Longbow at Worric VIII to the same position, avoiding the w/p and transfer it to you at the same time.



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kotau
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alikiwi, I would also like to buy the 8 Aries bombers from Fizbon VI A, I have included the payment in my orders

668m 250o 107r each,
5344m 2000o 856r total
Payment type: single payment
Cargo Destination :FNS Hunters Moon



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Prophet
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will do as you request System Lord, Commander. DDS Fizzon will meet the Navy forces at Worric (12,6). Dragonstar Defense will also send our Longbow in Fizbon (to be renamed DDS Longbow) to the Worric WP.

Cdr Kotau. Since the Navy constitutes such a large portion of the forces arrayed against this enemy fleet, Dragonstar Defense defers to your plans for defense. We will support whatever operations you decide to enact to counter the threat.

[edit]ooc: Don't worry. I'll give my own thoughts/opinions/plans when I get a chance. It has just been a busy real-life lately.


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Alikiwi
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Gentlemen. Regarding the 8 Aries, I will advise SJ to cancel my request to load 5 onto my ship and substitue something else.

I will also agree with Prophet, that for this operation we will be guided by you Kotau, should we disagree (doubtful), we need 1 leader only rather than argue who is senior! I therefore will follow your request Kotau for as long as it takes to vanish that enemy fleet!

Excuse me whilst I ammend my orders.



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Prophet
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the sake of recording, we have compiled a breakdown of the enemy fleet:

    Ukra-Tal Fleet
    (23 frigates)
    Brevik
    Kyrkjebo
    Laerdal x2
    Mosjoen
    Orsa
    Oskarshamn x3
    Raahe
    Rattvik x2
    Sater
    Stokke x3
    Storsjo x4
    Sundsvall x3

    (4 destroyers)
    Alvdalen II
    Trollhattan
    Vanersborg
    Vastervik

    (2 light carriers)
    Selbu
    Svartagard

    (2 carriers)
    Andebu II x2


Unfortunately, the Ministry of Design has yet to identify any of these classes. So we are uncertain just what we are up against.


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Alikiwi
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, intelligence on the enemy is rather weak. However we do know at least one of their ships is badly damaged! Let us hope its more than one!


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kotau
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Navy and I appreciate your cooperation, SL Alikiwi and CEO Prophet.

I will post further bulletins as situations warrant.



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Alikiwi
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One point I did forget to mention, with your plan for your 2 fleets in Fizbon to merge just before the Worric w/p. I believe as they are not merged as such, but just travelling the same path, they actually will arrive seperately, even though in the same month!


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Alikiwi
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gentlemen, and this includes Astorax, what fighters do you favour most? I will set (after next month) Fizbon VIa to build fighters repeatedly. In no particulart order, it could build the following per month,

DnS3 Wasp x 5, or Z-11 Aries x 4 or Daemon 5C x 2.



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Astorax
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, an interesting question certainly. At first glance I would say the Aries because the explosive missiles target ships and fighters and they are likely to try to keep their distance without needlessly getting close to point defense ships. This would necessitate a much bigger role of point defense ships on our part, however, that at this moment we can't do. Well, to be fair, the missiles would also be targeting fighters but not returning enemy missiles. Still, if I were to pick one, it would be the Aries if for no other reason than double the amount of Daemon 5Cs can be produced at a time.

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Kana
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bang for buck the F-1B Banshee is a good all around anti-fighter/anti-ship.

For anti-fighter/anti-missile, I would go with the F-12 Stiletto. It slightly cheaper than the X-9 Guardian, and alittle more than a F-10 Spirit, yet being larger, it cant take alittle more punishment, and has a large weapons capacity.


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Alikiwi
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the case of the F-1B, its 7 per turn, rather weak on the weapons though. Or F-12, its 4 per turn. Kotau, and Prophet..?


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Prophet
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course I am partial towards Dragonstar's F-11 Starlight fighter and B-4 Fatboy bomber.

I will agree with Cdr Astorax that quantity is very important. There is little point in building a fighter if we can do only 2 a month, not with the enemy on our doorstep. As many fighters as quickly as possible. The F-1B Banshee is a good choice for this reason, but I am concerned about the weapons range. Until we improve fighter engine speed, I would prefer to stay away from such short range combat.

Besides my own designs, I do like the Wasp for a fighter. I was considering the Phantom II, but I am concerned about supply usage. For a bomber, I like the B-7 Oppressor over the Z-11 Aries. It has less missiles on board (ie, less supplies) but you should be able to build 7 Oppressors. More bombers in space means more firepower.

I do have a question, System Lord. Is there a specific purpose for these fighters? Are you building them for planetary defense or for us to use in carriers?


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Prophet
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cdr Kotau,

Are you planning to maintain position at coordinates (12,6) in Worric? Or was this merely a rallying point en route to a new location?

Please let us know when you can. We would hate to be out of position and allow the enemy to pick us apart.


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Alikiwi
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main purpose for these fighters is to restock the carriers, given when the battle happens there will be a large number to be replaced, and we need to do this as quickly as possible, given we may have to chase any remaining enemy ships and finish them off. A higher production rate is certainly necessary in the short term at least.

Also be aware Fizbon VI, will not be available for about 5 months as it builds the 2 training facilities. The Wasp does seem a fairly suitable choice at the moment.



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you SL Alikiwi for the clarification.

A brief note of analysis. The enemy fleet has 2 carriers. While we do not know this specific design, we do have an Ukra-Tal carrier design on record. The Flen II class can carry 600kT of fighters. I think it is safe to assume the designs are close to similar. That means 1200kT worth of fighters in the enemy fleet. That is between 40 heavy fighters and 60 fighters.

I am merely providing these numbers to help facilitate strategic planning.

[EDIT]Correction: I missed the 2 light carriers. We do not have any Ukra-Tal light carriers on record. But we do have a Cue Cappa and several Phong. They all seem to carry 480kT each. Assuming that number, we are actually looking at 2160kT of fighters, or between 72 Heavy Fighters and 108 Fighters.[/EDIT]


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Alikiwi
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and I thought I was going to have to correct you CEO Prophet, but you did that yourself. Regretably we have 1 carrier on each side of the warp point, plus one in Astoraxs' Fleet, and a few further away. Seems we should be building more?

I have ordered the HHS Hermenis to the Worric w/p in Fizbon. Not a true carrier but it does have one launch bay and holds 480kT of cargo, for resupply normally.

I am waiting to hear from Kotau, presumably not necessary until next turn to arrange those ships in Worric to jump through to Fizbon. It will be interesting to see what that lone carrier does (Norak)



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kotau
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please pardon my absence (crazy IRL stuff)

My plans for the next month include:
Forming up the 3rd frigate logistics into the 3rd frigate squadron, and having them jump to worric, hopefully jumping right next to the Norak carrier and eliminating it quickly.

Merging the 3rd frigate Keeyeen flight into the 3rd Flotilla, and moving to the Worric-Fizbon WP.

Worric IV, regrettably, will probably sustain some damage, as it is not tactically feasible to scramble to defense without severely undermining our ability to repel the fleet. If troops are landed by the ukratal, I have troops ready and loaded into a transport to repel invaders.

By next turn we will have a fleet of 24 Navy ships alone and might stand a fighting chance of disabling that fleet. By standing on the WP, we will enjoy the fact that the large Ukra fleet will have to crawl 'uphill' against us, given the attack conditions of the warp point's field of influence.

About the fighters, I concur with Astorax that the Aries will be most useful, if nothing else it will tax their point defense ships with the saturation of missiles. Having many small platforms launching stacks of missiles is the best way to overload their PD capabilities, giving our direct fire fighters a chance to close and wear down their ships.



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel the need to inform you guys that i do have a carrier moving through fizbon next month, i contacted kana about signing it over to the navy so hopefully in a few months there will be another fully loaded carrier on the warp point

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SL Crixon, that carrier (3 months to Fizbon VI) would be a welcome addition I'm sure. Worric VI will be able to hold out for some time, so thats not a major problem. (Not Worric IV typo?).

Given Kotaus points, I will next month commence repeat build of the Aries fighter which will be 4 per month. My supply ship heading to the Worric w/p, will remain in Fizbon so its safe, but close to hand for resupplying the fleet.

Once Astoraxs' Fleet arrives, there should be 49 ships! That should give the enemy quite a headache!



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kotau
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes we should be able to make a dent in them one way or the other.

I suggest we attack them before they merge.



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hm, that could be difficult. You will have to chase them towards the Yullado w/p. True you can catch them, but you have to merge and do that in 2 months! Only those ships at the Worric/Fizbon w/p can do that, insufficent numbers.

You will have to hope they turn around again! Also, the transport I have loaded with fighters siting at Worric will have to be moved to the sun, to avoid attack. I dare say its better to keep the fighters on it, and also resupply the fleet? Comments.

I note Prophet has left his 2 ships siting there. Obviously they are being ignored. Probably Kotau can move down to them and not the reverse?



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