Picture Indexes

Santiago · Space Emperor Joined: Apr 26, 2006

Generally how do the picture indexes work as far as adding new items. Obviously spacing has to be right. Anything else?

Specifically Bmp_Atmosphere Types.bmp. Since this only has 6 pics, how far can I keep adding to the right before starting a new line. Trial and error? I have added one new atmosphere type and it shows in the empire setup screen. I haven't started any textures yet. It's more of; is it feasible within my capabilities at this time.

Fyron · Galactic Guru Joined: Aug 04, 2003 Location: CA, USA

You generally can only expand bitmap mini files downwards, not to the right, and expect SE to index them, at least regarding component and facility minis. I have no idea about Bmp_Atmosphere Types.bmp though; you'll have to do trial and error and report back with the results. Smile

Santiago · Space Emperor Joined: Apr 26, 2006

Thanks for the info.

So far I've got 1 to the right. For a total of 7. A test chlorine atmosphere.

Santiago · Space Emperor Joined: Apr 26, 2006

Got 10 in a row- Far as I'm going to go at this point with the quantity. Just a quick work up.

Santiago · Space Emperor Joined: Apr 26, 2006

For everyone's info, the index is 10 across before the next row has to start. This coincides with the game setup screen of 10 planet atmosphere types displayed at one time before scrolling to the next row.

Fyron · Galactic Guru Joined: Aug 04, 2003 Location: CA, USA

For reference, Neon and Helium are not really viable as breathable atmosphere types. They are noble gases, meaning they will not chemically react with any element under normal (eg: livable) conditions. As such, they cannot serve any role in the alien equivalent to the Kreb Cycle for electron transport.

Some sort of combined atmosphere with a reactive gas (eg: Helium/Hydrogen) might work out better.

Moonsword · Space Emperor Joined: Jan 14, 2005 Location: Georgia

Fyron, Space Empires is not and has never pretended to be "hard" science-fiction. If we're going to start throwing "realism" around, the handwavium, impossibilitum, and unobtanium stocks are going to get depleted PD-f'ing-Q. Razz

Fyron · Galactic Guru Joined: Aug 04, 2003 Location: CA, USA

There is no need to reintroduce impossible noble gases as breathable atmospheres. SE3 had Argon, and Aaron sagely canned it for SE4. Some bit of realism has apparently made its way into SE.

Moonsword · Space Emperor Joined: Jan 14, 2005 Location: Georgia

I always interpreted that to be referring to the main atmospheric component(s) by mass, actually. Although that much argon in one place would be a tad odd...

albi_joe · Space Emperor Joined: Mar 19, 2005 Location: USA

Who said the alien races are using the kreb cycle? Microfusion for heat generation would work, maybe.

And I like helium compounds. They're cool.

Santiago · Space Emperor Joined: Apr 26, 2006

Green Stars?

Santiago · Space Emperor Joined: Apr 26, 2006

I just had to say that above. Btw I like and use the green stars, but they are not really realistic as we can see very many stars and how many of those are green? Maybe you're color blind or the rest of us are. hehe.

As to planets, Astonomers are finding new ones everyday- there are approx 50 so far including the smallest gas giant half the size of Saturn. We don't know what their atmospheres are comprised of yet. And we don't yet have the capability of detecting small rocky planets or analyzing them. So I believe anything is possible.

Yes you're probably correct in that the noble gases won't react due to their physical and chemical natures, but all we have to go on is our current theories and observations which abeit slowly are modified and changing.

Also the planet type listed as Oxygen (earth type) is mostly Nitrogen, isn't it? If we're comparing it to Earth. Earth is in all actuality a Nitrogen planet

Deep sea divers and deep sea habitats use Heliox 4 where the Nitrogen is replaced with Helium, so is a planet with this mixture Oxygen or Helium?

On the other hand Sci-Fi is one of the few realms where realism takes a back seat. Writers and modders have a free hand to do as they please. For entertainment value.

At any rate it's an interseting topic.

Cool

ColonialAdmiral · Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:32 am Post subject:

But i like realistic sci-fi. (insert aplause for BSG)
Ok, realistic-er....

Point is, if this game were realistic, the Phong would be dead.
Imagine, a race that EVERYBODY HATES for no reason.

So i say Have all your atmosphere types if you want! (i still dont think you need that many)
There should be a race of vampire helium ballons.
Very Happy

BTW: what is that shipset and race next to the EEE guys?

Fyron · Galactic Guru Joined: Aug 04, 2003 Location: CA, USA

ColonialAdmiral · Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:58 am Post subject:

just imagine how the hell life could start on a gas giant... Shocked

Moonsword · Space Emperor Joined: Jan 14, 2005 Location: Georgia

Floating in the upper atmosphere where the air pressure is less extreme. The ecology would probably be based on filter feeding on microorganisms that used either photo- or chemosynthesis, depending on the gas giant's distance from its home star.

ColonialAdmiral · Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject:

Well i was thinking that the ballons were clear, and then they come down on unsuspecting creatures, latch on, suck their blood, turn Burgundish and then reinflate before anything can counter eat them...

albi_joe · Space Emperor Joined: Mar 19, 2005 Location: USA

Hm... designing a pseudo-process for creatures to evolve microfusion...

Start with random microfusion reactions in a gas giant atmosphere. Add a shell forming due to impurities being radioactively bombarded. Evolve life forms on the shell originally leeching energy from the microfusion to survive. Eventually have the race "farm" microfusion cores for lengevity, & pass on a split of that core for reproduction.

Thoughts? Completely off topic?

Fyron · Galactic Guru Joined: Aug 04, 2003 Location: CA, USA

I'd think that random microfusion in the "atmosphere" would generally lead to a star, rather than a gas giant. Or perhaps a brown dwarf if there wasn't enough mass to sustain fusion.

albi_joe · Space Emperor Joined: Mar 19, 2005 Location: USA

And they thought the first fission bombs would do the same thing...

Don't take planets so "gas, maybe rock, stable" literally. I think it could be vaguely possible under the right conditions. Like Brown Dwarves and Super-Jupiters.